Legislature(2023 - 2024)BARNES 124

03/05/2024 08:00 AM House COMMUNITY & REGIONAL AFFAIRS

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            HB 267-MUNICIPAL PROPERTY TAX EXEMPTIONS                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:41:50 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCCORMICK announced that the  final order of business would                                                               
be HOUSE BILL  NO. 267, "An Act relating to  property exempt from                                                               
municipal taxation."                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
8:42:08 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FRANK  TOMASZEWSKI,   Alaska  State  Legislature,                                                               
prime  sponsor,  presented  HB  267.     He  shared  the  sponsor                                                               
statement  [included  in the  committee  packet],  which read  as                                                               
follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     House Bill  267 changes language  exempting non-profits                                                                    
     from  municipal taxation  on  certain properties.  This                                                                    
     includes  parking lots  owned by  non-profits used  for                                                                    
     parking  or  other  uses  free  of  charge.  This  also                                                                    
     includes property  of a store operated  by a non-profit                                                                    
     that  distributes  food,  shelter, clothes,  or  health                                                                    
     care  for below  market  value  or free.  Additionally,                                                                    
     this  maintains a  non-profit's tax  exemption if  they                                                                    
     rent out their property to another non-profit.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Charitable   non-profits   are    a   pillar   of   our                                                                    
     communities.   They   help   our   communities'   least                                                                    
     fortunate when  they need basic goods  and services. Of                                                                    
     course,  many  non-profits   turn  to  fundraising  and                                                                    
     facility  rentals to  keep their  lights  on and  doors                                                                    
     open so  they can  continue to provide  their essential                                                                    
     services. If these organizations  did not provide these                                                                    
     services,  the burden  would  fall  on the  communities                                                                    
     they serve.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     This bill  through verbiage change  aims to  return the                                                                    
     exemption status to non-profits  to the level that they                                                                    
     had  prior   to  2018.  The  bill   does  not  increase                                                                    
     exemption  only   clarifies  the  exemption   to  allow                                                                    
     fundraising   and  parking   under  the   exemption  as                                                                    
     previously  granted.  With   revenues  being  down  and                                                                    
     permanent   fund  dividends   being   cut  creating   a                                                                    
     regressive  tax on  our least  fortunate, we  must help                                                                    
     those who help those in need.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:44:06 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DAVID  GOFF,  Staff,  Representative  Frank  Tomaszewski,  Alaska                                                               
State  Legislature,  on  behalf  of  Representative  Tomaszewski,                                                               
prime sponsor of HB 267,  presented the sectional analysis for HB
267 [included  in the  committee packet],  which read  as follows                                                               
[original punctuation provided]:                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Section 1: Amends AS 29.45.030(a)                                                                                          
     Page  2 line  16, Establishes  that property  is exempt                                                                    
     from  general  taxation  when   the  property  is  used                                                                    
     primarily   rather  than   exclusively  for   nonprofit                                                                    
     religious,    charitable,   cemetery,    hospital,   or                                                                    
     educational purposes.                                                                                                      
     Page 3  lines 19-20,  This section  further establishes                                                                    
     parking  lots that  are primarily  used  to serve  real                                                                    
     property that is exempt under municipal taxation.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Section 2: Amends AS 29.45.030(b)                                                                                          
     Page   3  line   22-23  Clarifies   municipal  taxation                                                                    
     exemption  of  religious   property  as  property  used                                                                    
     primarily   versus   property  used   exclusively   for                                                                    
     religious purposes.                                                                                                        
     Page  4 line  2 The  section further  clarifies that  a                                                                    
     structure,  its   furniture,  and  its   fixtures  used                                                                    
     primarily  rather than  solely for  qualifying property                                                                    
     is also exempted from municipal taxation.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Section 3: is repeals  and reenacts AS 29.45.030(c)Page                                                                    
     4 lines  8-18 Clarifies Properties described  in (a)(3)                                                                    
     or (4)  of this  section that  generate income  and are                                                                    
     used primarily are exempt from  general taxation if the                                                                    
     income  is  from  use  of a  property  by  a  nonprofit                                                                    
     religious,   charitable,    hospital   group    or   an                                                                    
     educational group; educational  group only as classroom                                                                    
     space;  used for  fundraising by  these groups  is also                                                                    
     allowed.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Section 4: to add a new subsection.                                                                                        
     Page 4 lines 20-25  Establishes that property described                                                                    
     in (a) (3)  of this section that  is under construction                                                                    
     or reconstruction  and is intended used  for tax exempt                                                                    
     purpose   upon  completion   is  exempt   from  general                                                                    
     taxation if  completed within two years  of permitting.                                                                    
     The section  clarifies completion as the  first day the                                                                    
     property is occupied for the mission.                                                                                      
     Page  4 line  26-30  In addition,  the exempt  property                                                                    
     remains exempt if it is  for a purpose that is directly                                                                    
     incidental to and vitally necessary  for the exempt use                                                                    
     of  the  property,  or  a   nonexempt  purpose  for  an                                                                    
     insubstantial period of time.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:47:30 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. GOFF explained  that in 2018, assessors began  using the term                                                               
"exclusively" as a  way to tax more property.   To mitigate this,                                                               
Legislative  Legal  Services  suggested  replacing  "exclusively"                                                               
with "primarily."                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCCORMICK sought questions from committee members.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:49:16 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HIMSCHOOT asked what changed in 2018.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TOMASZEWSKI  said nothing  changed aside  from the                                                               
aggressive  nature  of  tax assessors  who  started  going  after                                                               
previously untaxed properties.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HIMSCHOOT asked  how  "primarily"  is defined  in                                                               
statute.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TOMASZEWSKI deferred to Mr. Therriault.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HIMSCHOOT clarified  that she  was interested  in                                                               
the unintended  consequences, adding  that she wanted  to prevent                                                               
for-profit organizations that  occasionally hold nonprofit events                                                               
from becoming primarily nonprofit.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  TOMASZEWSKI agreed.    He said  that  is not  the                                                               
intent of the bill.   He conveyed that the goal  is to revert the                                                               
clock  back to  the state  of things  prior to  2018 and  prevent                                                               
nonprofit  organizations,   like  food  banks,  who   are  barely                                                               
scraping by from  having to add a tax assessment  burden to their                                                               
bottom line.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
8:53:19 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
GENE THERRIAULT, Board President,  Fairbanks Community Food Bank,                                                               
shared  his  understanding  that the  narrow  interpretation  and                                                               
application  of  the  word  "exclusive"  is  the  source  of  the                                                               
problem.  He added that  the general understanding of "primarily"                                                               
is "50  percent plus."   He  shared his belief  that if  the term                                                               
"primarily" is chosen, it should be defined [in statute].                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:54:46 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HIMSCHOOT,  referencing the memorandum  to Senator                                                               
Meyers  [included in  the committee  packet],  concluded that  no                                                               
change  is  needed  because  the state  or  municipality  is  not                                                               
required  to   tax  property.     She   asked  whether   she  was                                                               
misinterpreting document.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. THERRIAULT  clarified that the  drafter was referring  to the                                                               
mandatory  tax  exemption  in  the  constitution.    The  primary                                                               
question is how much tax  protection should be extended under the                                                               
constitutional  mandate, he  said, so  that  it's not  up to  the                                                               
local government to decide.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
8:56:36 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HIMSCHOOT said  the [tax  exemption] seems  to be                                                               
locally  determined,  as  opposed  to mandated.    She  expressed                                                               
concern   about  the   state  setting   a  standard   that  local                                                               
governments would be required to adhere to.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
8:57:48 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MEARS  asked   whether  local  governments  could                                                               
exempt  these uses  or whether  exemptions  must be  made on  the                                                               
state level.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TOMASZEWSKI said local  governments need to follow                                                               
state law.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MEARS restated her  question, asking whether local                                                               
governments have the ability to create their own exemptions.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TOMASZEWSKI  said they can, under  the guidance of                                                               
state law, provide exemptions for properties.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
8:58:44 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MEARS said that did  not answer her question.  She                                                               
questioned  how   the  statewide  application  of   the  proposed                                                               
legislation would financially impact local governments.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  TOMASZEWSKI  indicated  that there  could  be  an                                                               
increase in  revenue; however, maintaining the  same tax exempted                                                               
status would result in no change to municipal revenue.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MEARS expressed  concern that there is  not a full                                                               
understanding of  how local  governments are  applying exemptions                                                               
and how  the bill  would impact their  policies.   She emphasized                                                               
her  interest in  getting  more comfortable  with  the impact  on                                                               
local governments.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:00:19 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  MCCORMICK asked  how the  bill compares  to laws  in other                                                               
states.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. THERRIAULT shared  his understanding that most  states in the                                                               
nation  constitutionally mandate  a  property  tax exemption  for                                                               
nonprofits.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:01:31 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. THERRIAULT  gave his  invited testimony.   He  explained that                                                               
after 40 years  of operating in the Fairbanks  North Star Borough                                                               
and many rural  locations, the Fairbanks Community  Food Bank was                                                               
stunned to receive a combine property  tax bill of over $8,000 in                                                               
2022.   The  reason  for the  combined tax  bill  stemmed from  a                                                               
fundraiser that  was held at one  of the properties.   Taxes were                                                               
also assessed  on an  additional warehouse  space that  was being                                                               
constructed.    Lastly,  a parking  lot  dedicated  to  nonprofit                                                               
education and charitable tenants was  taxed.  If the organization                                                               
disagreed with  the tax  determination, they  were told  that the                                                               
only recourse  was to appeal  to the  court system.   Without the                                                               
resources  to undertake  expensive  and  lengthy litigation,  the                                                               
food bank  paid the taxes under  protest.  He relayed  that after                                                               
further  investigations,  other  nonprofits were  also  receiving                                                               
unexpected  tax  bills.    The primary  reason  for  the  current                                                               
situation is  the lack of clarity  in Alaska law, he  said, which                                                               
assessors struggle  to interpret and  apply.  He  highlighted the                                                               
language on  page 2, lines  16-17 of the bill,  stating "property                                                               
used  exclusively  for nonprofit  purposes."    He discussed  the                                                               
different  interpretations of  the "exclusive  use rule,"  adding                                                               
that the bill  seeks to move away from the  rigidity by replacing                                                               
"exclusively" with "primarily."   He opined that  both terms need                                                               
further definition to  solve the problem.  He  suggested that the                                                               
path forward  involves the  legislature using  longstanding court                                                               
determinations  to provide  policy clarity  to existing  statute.                                                               
Favorable action on HB 267  would also allow nonprofit charitable                                                               
organizations, like  the food bank,  to fulfill their  purpose to                                                               
meet the  critical needs of  the community.   In response  to the                                                               
committee's discussion,  he said the  goal is to  determine which                                                               
properties  and  operations   qualify  for  the  constitutionally                                                               
mandated tax exemptions.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:09:14 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR   MCCORMICK   asked   Mr.   Therriault   to   restate   the                                                               
constitutional mandate.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. THERRIAULT read the following statement:                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     All  or any  portion of  the property  used exclusively                                                                    
     for  nonprofit,  religious,  charitable,  cemetery,  or                                                                    
     education purposes, as defined  by law, shall be exempt                                                                    
     from taxation.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR.  THERRIAULT noted  that the  charitable  institutions are  up                                                               
against  local   interpretation  of  the  law   because  the  tax                                                               
exemption is lost  if the operation is used  to generate revenue,                                                               
which  contradicts  federal  law  unless  a  separate  standalone                                                               
business is created.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:11:18 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MCCABE differentiated  between the  definition of                                                               
primarily and exclusively.   He asked how much  could be provided                                                               
to the residents of Fairbanks with $8,000.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  THERRIAULT reiterated  his hope  that true  nonprofits would                                                               
always  be  able  to  avail   themselves  of  the  mandatory  tax                                                               
exemption  in   the  constitution  despite  local   choice.    He                                                               
estimated  that  the food  bank  could  source 30,000  to  40,000                                                               
pounds of bycatch salmon from Seattle for $8,000.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MCCABE suggested  that the  goal was  to "soften"                                                               
the exclusionary  language.  He  opined that nonprofits  and food                                                               
banks  do important  work  and pondered  the  implications of  an                                                               
$8,000   municipal   tax   to  the   people   served   by   these                                                               
organizations.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. THERRIAULT said he understood  the need for local governments                                                               
to  ensure  that  ineligible properties  are  not  receiving  tax                                                               
exemptions  to avoid  abuse.   He  agreed  that [nonprofits]  are                                                               
looking  for   latitude  in  the   interpretation  of   the  word                                                               
"exclusively," which, he said, the courts have corroborated.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:20:18 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HIMSCHOOT  said she was  still trying to  wrap her                                                               
head around a local government  that would exercise the option to                                                               
tax a food bank.  She asked how "primarily" would be defined.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  THERRIAULT  restated  his  understanding  that  in  layman's                                                               
terms, "primarily" is defined as "50 percent plus."                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HIMSCHOOT  said  "primarily"  felt  murkier  than                                                               
"exclusively."                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:21:41 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MCCABE asked  whether the food bank  charges a fee                                                               
for parking or makes any money off the parking lot.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. THERRIAULT answered no.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MCCABE  sought  to  verify  that  no  revenue  is                                                               
collected  from the  parking lot  and that  the organization  was                                                               
taxed on the value of the land.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. THERRIAULT said, "That's correct."   He described the parking                                                               
lot, indicating  that the  property was  improved and  within 300                                                               
feet  of  the   property  that  it  serves,   which  meets  local                                                               
requirements.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MCCABE asked  to  explore the  incident or  "bowl                                                               
auction" that  generated [the  tax bill].   He asked  whether the                                                               
proceeds from  the auction was  used for anything other  than its                                                               
stated purpose, which was to serve those in need.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. THERRIAULT answered no.   He explained that bowl auctions are                                                               
common among  nonprofits that partner  with pottery guilds.   The                                                               
event, which  was held  at a  warehouse operation,  triggered the                                                               
tax  consequence in  CY 22.   He  noted that  after citing  court                                                               
cases,  the borough  relented.   He reiterated  that the  supreme                                                               
court determined that the  interpretation of "exclusively" should                                                               
not be  so narrow as  to cause  organizations to lose  their tax-                                                               
exempt status [over events like the one in question].                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:26:29 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took a brief at-ease.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:27:01 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCCORMICK opened public testimony on HB 267.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:28:08 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
NILS  ANDREASSEN,  Executive  Director, Alaska  Municipal  League                                                               
(AML), testified  during the  hearing on HB  267.   He emphasized                                                               
the  importance   of  ensuring  that  there   are  no  unintended                                                               
consequences  and  that  the bill  brings  clarity  to  assessors                                                               
without  restricting their  ability to  do  their job.   He  said                                                               
AML's suggested  edits center on  the need to provide  clarity on                                                               
spatial  apportionment  relative  to   the  use  of  a  property.                                                               
Spatial  apportionment  is  used   to  determine  the  amount  of                                                               
property used  for purposes other  than the  nonprofit's purpose.                                                               
With  Alaska's limited  tax base,  he  said mandatory  exemptions                                                               
should be applied cautiously and  specifically with parameters to                                                               
preserve local  tax bases  as much as  possible.   He highlighted                                                               
Section 1,  paragraph (11) of  the bill, which adds  parking lots                                                               
to the list of exemptions,  and suggested that the language would                                                               
not  capture  the  intended  purpose  of  exempting  specifically                                                               
nonprofit  parking lots.   Instead,  he suggested  that it  would                                                               
encompass  all parking  lots  described in  the  exemptions.   He                                                               
opined that Section  3 is unnecessary and shared  his belief that                                                               
the  shift  from  "exclusively"  to  "primarily"  would  increase                                                               
uncertainty  for  local  assessors.     He  reported  that  local                                                               
governments  already exempted  nonprofit  property for  community                                                               
purposes at  a value of  $261 million in  2022.  He  welcomed the                                                               
potential  for  collaboration  with  the  bill  sponsor  to  work                                                               
through these  issues and seek  maximum benefit to the  state and                                                               
communities.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:36:53 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MCCABE asked  whether AML  conducted a  financial                                                               
analysis on the impact to local communities.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. ANDREASSEN  said that work  needs to  be done.   He explained                                                               
that  the  senior  citizen  and  disabled  veteran  property  tax                                                               
exemption is tracked by the  assessor each year and referenced by                                                               
AML to see how the exemption was applied.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MCCABE asked how  AML expects nonprofits, like the                                                               
food  bank,  to  pay  property taxes  without  it  impacting  the                                                               
services they offer.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ANDREASSEN said  he  was  not prepared  to  talk about  food                                                               
banks' financials specifically.  He  pointed out that taxes, like                                                               
any other expense,  are regularly built into budgets.   He shared                                                               
his belief  that the  discussion is  not nonprofits  versus local                                                               
governments  and  emphasized that  AML's  goal  is to  strengthen                                                               
local governments.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:41:44 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HIMSCHOOT said  her district tends to  have a high                                                               
ratio of  nonprofits.  She asked  whether Alaska, as a  result of                                                               
its  islanded  communities, has  a  higher  number of  nonprofits                                                               
compared to other states.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. ANDREASSEN reported  that Alaska has the  highest per capital                                                               
rate of nonprofits in the nation.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HIMSCHOOT opined that  the nonprofit sector adds a                                                               
nonmonetary quality of life that no one wants to diminish.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:44:44 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LORINDA MOFF, State Administrator,  Alaska SCTP, testified during                                                               
the hearing  on HB 267.   She shared  that Alaska SCTP  was given                                                               
200 acres by  the borough to build a facility  for youth training                                                               
and education.  She said she  knew nonprofits do not pay property                                                               
taxes; however,  she was not aware  that it must be  applied for,                                                               
and subsequently  received a bill  for over $4,000,  which Alaska                                                               
SCTIP  paid.    She  noted that  eventually,  her  nonprofit  was                                                               
granted  the exemption  because  the borough  was well  informed.                                                               
She  pointed  out  that  many  nonprofits  provide  critical  and                                                               
educational services  that the government  would not want  to pay                                                               
for itself.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:50:56 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MEARS acknowledged  the challenges  of running  a                                                               
nonprofit.  She  sought to confirm that Alaska SCTP  is no longer                                                               
paying property taxes on that parcel.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. MOFF answered, "That's correct."                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MCCABE asked how many  kids Ms. Moff had served in                                                               
total.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS. MOFF estimated around 7,000 to 8,000.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:52:24 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCCORMICK  closed public testimony  on HB 267.   He invited                                                               
closing comments from the bill sponsor.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TOMASZEWSKI  said he looked forward  to drafting a                                                               
more  perfect  bill  to  get   this  issue  cleared  up  for  all                                                               
nonprofits throughout Alaska.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:53:56 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCCORMICK announced that HB 267 would be held over.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:54:18 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no  further business before the  committee, the House                                                               
Community  and Regional  Affairs Standing  Committee meeting  was                                                               
adjourned at 9:54 p.m.                                                                                                          

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
HB 267 Sponsor Staterment.pdf HCRA 3/5/2024 8:00:00 AM
HB 267
HB 267 Sectional Analysis.pdf HCRA 3/5/2024 8:00:00 AM
HB 267
HB 267 Supporting Document - Legal Memo.pdf HCRA 3/5/2024 8:00:00 AM
HB 267
HB 267 Version A.pdf HCRA 3/5/2024 8:00:00 AM
HB 267
HB 234 Amendment B.1 - 2.28.24.pdf HCRA 3/5/2024 8:00:00 AM
HB 234
HB 234 Amendment B.2 - 2.28.24.pdf HCRA 3/5/2024 8:00:00 AM
HB 234
HB 234 Amendment B.3 - 3.1.24.pdf HCRA 3/5/2024 8:00:00 AM
HB 234